tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19884649.post6229865657888833473..comments2024-01-10T13:13:28.243-06:00Comments on We Are Notre Dame: Hall of Fame VotingJimmyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03901172802515710288noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19884649.post-67043759910544569722009-01-13T11:48:00.000-06:002009-01-13T11:48:00.000-06:00Enough people all over the blogosphere have weighe...Enough people all over the blogosphere have weighed in on Jim Rice that there's no need to say anything more. His candidacy and the way it played out over the course of the last 10 or so years is extremely interesting though, to say the least.<BR/><BR/>I completely agree with Matt on the steroid era. Any Hall of Fame that excludes Barry Bonds, the greatest player of our generation, cannot be considered an accurate representation of the best players to play the game. Bonds was great without steroids, he was probably even better with them. But he did things on a baseball field (even beyond the HRs) that no one else will ever do.<BR/><BR/>Its a damn shame that steroids had to infect the game of baseball, but it happened and its time to move past it. I can only hope that injecting guys from Baseball Prospectus (ie, Will Carroll), Neyer, Law, Posnanski into the BBWAA will bring those basketcases to their senses.Jeremyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03565787827731693750noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19884649.post-17610648118685508192009-01-13T10:39:00.000-06:002009-01-13T10:39:00.000-06:00The fact that Mark McGuire apparently will not get...The fact that Mark McGuire apparently will not get into the Hall of Fame is a flat out joke. Is Barry Bonds, one of the 10 best players in the history of the game, going to get ignored as well. Probably. These holier than thou sportswriters/voters need to get over themselves. <BR/><BR/>I dislike Bonds as much as the next guy, and have no strong feelings one way or the other regarding McGuire. But you can't ignore what those guys did on the field. What if Griffey(or any player universally accepted to have been clean) gets voted in and then 10 years later it comes out he used roids too. Will he be kicked out? <BR/><BR/>You have to just accept the steroids era for what it was and elect the best players from that era just like the Deadball Era and such. <BR/><BR/>I could go on for hours about this. To me, the baseball Hall of Fame is the only sacred hall, by far superior to basketball and even football. I just don't see how you can have a Hall of Fame and not put in a guy like McGuire and eventually Barry Bonds and Roger Clemens.Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16071980805790805181noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19884649.post-58830799665804701612009-01-13T09:23:00.000-06:002009-01-13T09:23:00.000-06:00The steroid era should be treated as such, what wi...The steroid era should be treated as such, what with the ballooned stats: whatever percentage of MLB players have gotten in from each generation or era, the steroids era should get the same amount. No more, no less. Baseball would be admitting far too much guilt if it bars players who were considered or alleged to have used performance enhancing substances. The game profited from it, we all know. So take the absolute cream of the crop from them and move on. Guys like Jim Thome, Gary Sheffield, Carlos Delgado, even Palmeiro should be passed over without a second thought. You cannot say that those guys were "the best" in the game for any stretch, let alone hands down the best player on their teams. The numbers are inflated and should only be compared against their contemporaries. The fact that other clear non-HOFers like Shawn Green, Luis Gonzalez, Jeff Kent, Moises Alou all have somewhat comparable numbers should affect their credentials. <BR/><BR/>Is it me or does football do a much better job of judging a player's career in the context of his era and not compared to other eras.Jimmyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03901172802515710288noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19884649.post-68024116055891182432009-01-13T08:12:00.000-06:002009-01-13T08:12:00.000-06:00I was barely even alive when Jim Rice was in his p...I was barely even alive when Jim Rice was in his prime, so I have absolutely no opinion on Jim Rice as a Hall of Famer. I agree that I'd rather just see him get in so we don't have to hear about him anymore. Rickey Henderson is a little more contemporary, but even his best years occurred in the mid to late 80s when I was just a kid. I don't have much of a connection to him for whatever reason. <BR/><BR/>I think the bigger story is that Mark McGwire only got 21% of the vote. He is actually DECLINING in votes. Look, I know people are upset about the steroid thing, but he's Mark freaking McGwire!! He hit 70 bombs in a year and has 500+ homers. In terms of his career (it is the Hall of FAME after all), he's one of the 5 most famous baseball players of the last 25 years. I could care less if he doesn't ever get into the Hall, but I do think that it's strange how little attention there is about how small his vote total has been. If McGwire never gets into the Hall, that's the equivalent of Pete Rose not being in the Hall of Fame (which I am also perfectly fine with). <BR/><BR/>I'm more interested in the Hall of Fame when we start getting more guys who I grew up watching. I believe that Fred McGriff and Barry Larkin are on the ballot next year. WOW. I have strong opinions on both those guys, and I could probably write 2500 words on this blog in support of either one of them (and probably will). Plus, we know the arguments that can be made against them. We saw them play and know what they were like in their primes. <BR/><BR/>I don't know how guys like Jay Bell get on the ballot. I kind of like it to be honest just because it's funny to hear those names again. Dan Plesac...when would we ever hear that name again?Doughttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00749996801204575270noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19884649.post-43678213764144213252009-01-12T22:06:00.000-06:002009-01-12T22:06:00.000-06:00One of the two Jay Bell votes was from none other ...One of the two Jay Bell votes was from none other than Pedro Gomez.<BR/><BR/>http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/hof09/news/story?id=3819625<BR/><BR/>He also voted for Dave Parker! Apparently, he is distraught that he is not the lead story on Sportscenter every night with a story on Barry Bonds from San Fran. So he decided to mix things up with his vote to get his name out there.<BR/><BR/>How the heck does Pedro Gomez have a HOF vote anyway? I can only imagine he is counting down the days until Barry Bonds is eligible. He's probably the one out there pumping up these 'Bonds isn't retired' stories so that he can regain his fame.Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16071980805790805181noreply@blogger.com